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#1 deibit

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 10:55:49

Esta noticia es relativamente vieja.. pero como no la he visto mencionada por aqui, pues lo comento (espero que no sea repost..)

Todo empezo con un post en el blog oficial del propietario de J's dirigido a AJ-Racing.. que como sabemos son los mismo que T1R y que como sabemos es (era) distribuidor oficial de J's racing en Canada/USA

Dear Ben Leung

First of all, it is almost 9 years since we, J’s Racing, started a business
relationship with your company in 2002. We fully acknowledge that your sales
& marketing have made the current J’s Racing popular status in the North America
and we deeply thank you for that.

Unfortunately we have to present you a rather unpleasant notice today. We recently
learned that in spite of your status of an official distributor of J’s Racing, you
have been copying J’s Racing products in a factory abroad and selling the products
as the genuine J’s Racing merchandise.

In order to verify the information and to get the clear evidence we actually purchased
a product from you for an inspection. Regrettably we found that you not only copied the
product but also copied our packing tape and box to make the product look exactly like a
genuine J’s Racing product.

Now that we have a proof and we consider your conduct as a criminal offense, we no longer
can maintain the current business relationship with you. We have already consulted an
attorney in the British Columbia and we are ready to take strong legal actions if necessary.

We strongly feel that an official distributor should be the one policing the copied or
knockoff products. It is outrageous that an official distributor itself sells a copied
product as a genuine one. This is an inexcusable conduct even from the social point of
view and we will not forgive this kind of crime.

Regarding this matter, we are considering the number of actions. We will give you one
chance of providing us a sincere response and coming up with an offer for a monetary

Our actions include but are not limited to
1) Termination of the distributor status
2) A legal action to demand accounting information on the quantity of the copied products
produced and to demand a definite proof for destroying the copied products.
3) Bringing a criminal charges against A&J Racing
4) Disclosure of the issue on our website using your company’s name
5) Disclosure of the issue on the several forums in the world using your company’s name

To name several forums,
S2KI - Honda S2000 Community
8thCivic.com - 8th Generation Civics
NAGTROC - The Nissan GT-R Owners Club - Home
Honda | Acura Research, Reviews, Performance Parts, Owners - Honda-Tech.com
Honda | Accord Civic CRV | For Sale, Parts, Wheels, Tires - HondaMarketplace.com
Unofficial Honda FIT Forums - Powered by vBulletin
http://www.team-integra.net/
http://www.definitivedriving.com/
NSX Prime - Powered by vBulletin

6) Notification of the issue to all the manufacturers J’s Racing has business relationship with
7) Notification of the issue to all the companies J’s Racing has traded with
8) Notification of the issue to all the magazine publishing companies A&J Racing has relationship with
9) Notification of the issue to your father, Anthony

Those actions will inflict serious damages to your company.
In the business world, the trust is the most important. It is very regrettable you have lost our trust.
We will be waiting for your sincere response and a specific compensation offer.
The deadline is April 22, 2009.

Sincerely

J’S RACING Junichi Umemoto
J’S RACING Hisaaki Murakami


El post original esta aqui:

http://ameblo.jp/ume...0430432876.html

La respuesta de AJ-Racing es:

We have only imported J's Racing products in the past. Whatever products J's Racing supplies us is what we sell to customers.

Regarding authenticity of parts, over 50% of the products we've received from J's Racing in the past may or may not have had J's Racing labels, badges, engravings, or stickers of "J's Racing". J's Racing did not notify us on any of these changes, so we was the importer at the time, were unaware of any changes made by J's.

AJ-Racing actually dropped the J's Racing line as of March 2009 due to internal issues that were never resolved in the past. In the last year, 8 North American dealers dropped J's Racing.

Regards,

Jason @ AJR



O sea que basicamente lo que dice es "Lo que vendemos es lo que tu nos envias".. como son distribuidores, es probable que esas piezas falsas (proporcionadas por J's o no..) también se hayan distribuido a otras tiendas de USA/Canada

(por cierto, hace unos meses T1R me comento que ya no distribuian productos J's "due to quality issues").. Curiosamente en ese intervalo de tiempo 8 tiendas mas de USA han decidido dejar de distribuir productos de J's Racing...

Quien tendra la razón? yo tenia 3 colectores en la lista (J's, T1R, ASM/TODA) y gracias a la polemica esta, ya he tachado a los dos primeros :lol: (a veces las polemicas hacen que las decisiones sean mas faciles) :D

Editado por deibit, 04 February 2010 - 11:08:50.


#2 edu_lafabrica

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 12:01:21

mmm inquietante información... sinceramente creo que una copia es identificable... no veo razón para dejar de comprar sus colectores en cuanto se pongan a tiro...

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 12:44:21

mmm inquietante información... sinceramente creo que una copia es identificable... no veo razón para dejar de comprar sus colectores en cuanto se pongan a tiro...



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#4 deibit

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 13:15:44

A mi lo que me inquieta es que un distribuidor oficial pida un producto "a fabrica" y la fabrica le envie uno un día con chapita, luego otro día otro sin chapita, luego otro con pegatas, a la semana siguiente sin pegatas.. yo por ejemplo he visto catch cans que se suponen que son oficiales de J's (de esas que valen 400$) y en algunos casos llevaban chapita y en otros no.. y el distribuidor decia que "era normal" :) Y que luego venga J's y diga "no, es que esos son falsos y los otros no" y que "ese aunque lleve chapita es falso, pero el otro sin chapita no".. etc etc

Es evidente que algo pasa en el intervalo entre la fabrica y el distribuidor..

Lo que también me da mal rollo es que tanto el fabricante como el distribuidor oficial se ensarcen en peleas distribuyendo cada uno su version de los hechos en foros de internet (es que la discusion ya parecia de parvulitos) :D

Que la mayoria de productos de eBay son falsificaciones (aunque lleven o no lleven chapita) es un hecho.. pero que esas (supuestas) falsificaciones lleguen a distribuidores oficiales ya es mas preocupante :(

Editado por deibit, 04 February 2010 - 13:16:41.


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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 14:11:17

A mi lo que me inquieta es que un distribuidor oficial pida un producto "a fabrica" y la fabrica le envie uno un día con chapita, luego otro día otro sin chapita, luego otro con pegatas, a la semana siguiente sin pegatas.. yo por ejemplo he visto catch cans que se suponen que son oficiales de J's (de esas que valen 400$) y en algunos casos llevaban chapita y en otros no.. y el distribuidor decia que "era normal" :) Y que luego venga J's y diga "no, es que esos son falsos y los otros no" y que "ese aunque lleve chapita es falso, pero el otro sin chapita no".. etc etc

Es evidente que algo pasa en el intervalo entre la fabrica y el distribuidor..

Lo que también me da mal rollo es que tanto el fabricante como el distribuidor oficial se ensarcen en peleas distribuyendo cada uno su version de los hechos en foros de internet (es que la discusion ya parecia de parvulitos) :D

Que la mayoria de productos de eBay son falsificaciones (aunque lleven o no lleven chapita) es un hecho.. pero que esas (supuestas) falsificaciones lleguen a distribuidores oficiales ya es mas preocupante :(


En mi caso he comprado colectores y modificacion de centralita J's aun distribuidor oficial y antes de pagar me manda una factura al completo,en el caso de la ECU me especifican incluso lo que le han echo,modelo del coche,tipo de gasolina,modificaciones etc y ningun problema

#6 deibit

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 14:15:20

en el caso de la ECU me especifican incluso lo que le han echo,modelo del coche,tipo de gasolina,modificaciones etc y ningun problema


Ui! que pone exactamente en lo de las modificaciones? al final como lo hiciste con lo de la ECU? la que te envian es una ECU japonesa, americana o europea?

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 14:18:00

Impresionante. Cuanto menos curioso.
Gracias por compartir la noticia Deibit.
Un abrazo

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 14:21:30

Hostia, me acabo de dar cuenta de una de las brutales amenazas que le lanza J's racing a AJ-Racing..

9) Notification of the issue to your father, Anthony


:meparto2:

Si no fuese porque el mensaje aparece en el blog de J's Racing, y porque ha aparecido en la mitad de foros de internet de coches nipones.. pensaria que es broma..

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 14:34:21

Ui! que pone exactamente en lo de las modificaciones? al final como lo hiciste con lo de la ECU? la que te envian es una ECU japonesa, americana o europea?


tienes que enviar la tuya propia,¿que sentido tiene comprar una ECU oem modificada que no es la tuya?te figura las modificaciones que llevo o llevare,regulacion del punto exacto de vtec,el modelo europeo y octonaje(98 oct),cancelacion bomba aire...la semana que viene podre decir si vale la pena

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 14:50:42

Lo de la ECU lo preguntaba porque yo ya he visto todas las combinaciones posibles :D gente que tiene un coche JDM y se pilla una ECU customizada americana o gente con coche europeo con ECU japonesa (no me preguntes como lo hacen con el inmobilizador..).

Para ver si va bien habra que pasar por el banco. :)

A ver si te van rapidos con el envio.. que yo ya hace como 6 meses que espero mi electronica :lol:

Editado por deibit, 04 February 2010 - 14:51:13.


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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 15:00:09

Aver segun la propia J's se supone que soy el primer europeo en modificar mi ECU por ellos!!en una tienda americana donde vendian una ECU js me pidieron mi ECU como parte de pago jejeje se ve que no saben de que iva el tema.Yo paso de rollos prefiero ir sobre seguro

los colectores me tardaron 6 dias en llegar,todo es pagar primero y agobiar despues jeje

un saludo

#12 deibit

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 15:14:28

Aver segun la propia J's se supone que soy el primer europeo en modificar mi ECU por ellos!!en una tienda americana donde vendian una ECU js me pidieron mi ECU como parte de pago jejeje se ve que no saben de que iva el tema.Yo paso de rollos prefiero ir sobre seguro


Ermm.. bueno un chico de grecia tenia una J's tuneada por J's Japon en su antiguo coche (ya no la tiene porque vendio ese S2000 y se compro otro)

http://www.s2ki.com/...pic=382365&st=0

Lo de enviar la ECU como parte del pago lo he visto varias veces, lo que hacen es enviarte otra que habia enviado otra persona antes.. correspondiente revisada y modificada.. y la que has enviado tu se la envian a un futuro cliente..

No es algo raro.. lo hace Apple también cuando envias tu ipod para cambiar la bateria.. el ipod que te envian de vuelta no es el tuyo.. sino uno de otra persona al que le han cambiado la carcasa y la bateria :)

también lo hace Sony.. cuando envias a reparar tu PS2 o PS3, lo que te envian de vuelta no es tu Playstation original.. sino otra de otra persona que esta reparada y verificada (sino habria que esperarse semanas o meses hasta que arreglasen la tuya) :)

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 16:05:30

Vaya panorama... -_-

Lo de "se lo voy a decir a tu padre para que no te deje salir de tu habitación en una semana"... buenísimo!!!:meparto2:

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Escrito 04 February 2010 - 16:46:41

Otra respuesta de AJracing

Hey Everyone,

This is not something new. During 2009 summer there were posts going on in regards AJR and J's Racing already.

We have responded to previous posts and we have already told our side of the story. Anyways, for those who found this thread new and interesting, I will post our side of the story again and I will keep this simple.

Firstly, the parts we sold were supplied by J's Racing. Ever since day one when we imported the products, over 50% of the products we received did not have logos, originally packaging, catalogs or even stickers. I can speak for myself as well as AJR since I was the one who had packaged some of these products. We have been challenged by customers who had purchased these parts from us in the past saying these products were kind of sketch. There was nothing we could do if the products came to us in that condition.

Secondly, J's stated they had never made any "special edition" products like USDM versions, this was not true. There were numberous products made such as, USDM Grills, lip spoiler (GD3,FG2), GT wings (FG2)....etc. that's false info. Maybe if you got nothing to do you can run a search and you will find them.

Thirdly, there are many waranty issues, quality issues, fitment issues and missing components with the parts...............etc. JUST SEARCH on any Honda forums, you will find them. Broken or defected products never been replaced nor warranteed by the manufacturer. Those waranteed products were covered by AJR itself by paying out of it's own pocket.

Fourthly, J's Racing claimed that AJR has been selling knock off J's Racing products. Well, if the supplier supplied their products with no packaging, stickers or badgings, and denying the authenticy, what should we do??? Now this situation ended up like this.

I have been working at AJR since 2008 and I have not seen a single knock off branded product while I was doing all AJR's inventory and shipping work back at that time. I am not trying to defend the company that I work for since I can just simply pack and go without giving a damn, BUT if AJR has to be bad mouthed for no reason, I think I have to stand up for it.

Once last thing regarding to Mr. J's letter, if everything is true, AJR should have closed down and wait to get sued instead of kept up and running.

Regards,

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Y el último comunicado oficial de AJR

Hi,

This issue in question has been discussed. We had also timely responded to the letter after consulting with our lawyers. As to protect Js Racings and AJRs privacy, the complete response will not be posted. But in summary, the situation was a misunderstanding. In other words, ALL of the Js Racing products we had sold will always have our full confidence backed as for their source and authenticity.

This issue has been SETTLED between Js Racing and AJR. Js Racing entered a silent vow as they provided no further responses since April 23, 2009. No client-side loss was caused as a result of this incident.

To be honest, I personally think it will be way more beneficial to AJR if we at the company direct this time and effort for rebuttal to, instead, improving AJRs reputation and business. But I for one cannot stand aside on this matter and let this unjust bashing slide by. We are highly disappointed at Js company and Js employees discipline. As all can see, Js Racing had refrained from acting on any of the actions they have listed in the letter as they had absolutely no rights on publicizing this matter. Instead, they had to resort to private blog as a media and post it EIGHT months later to mitigate their responsibility. Such action reflects gravely on their characters and their way of dealing. Such action cannot be tolerated. We will commence actions for any damage caused.

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Guys, nothing against you but I honestly don't buy this aspect of your statement. If you were receiving sub-par products that were missing logo's or improperly packaged or of poor quality you should not shrugging your shoulders and continue to selling their products for so many years. Then there is the ethical side of this question, why would you pass on questionable products to your customers? This doesn't add up.

This is very true. What is missing here is that there also existed many products we couldnt send out and resulted in our loss. So because of this incident and their poor quality of goods delivered to us over the years, we had decided to stop importing Js Racing products for good. Js Racing has not officially stopped supplying to us. Since then, we had maintained an excellent relationship with all of our other suppliers, including SPOON, and distributors. I also urge further claims, if it would otherwise damage our reputation, to be discussed with proof rather than speculation.

Im Byron and I am the person who coordinated the seeking of legal advice on this matter. If you have any question, please contact me @ AJR (604) 279-0329. A request for closing this thread is on the way. I sincerely thank all of you for reading this far.


Regards,


Byron L. @ AJR


O sea.. que se ha llegado a un acuerdo y que las dos companyias han acordado no abrir mas la boca sobre el tema (bueno, aunque en el mail de despedida solo les faltaba decir que J's es una p#%@ mierda) :lol:

Turbio turbio...

@edit: (hoy me aburro, si..) :lol:

http://www.jsracing....ONTENT=DEADCOPY

No mencionan a AJRacing.. pero fijaos en el nombre del PDF :meparto2:

Editado por deibit, 04 February 2010 - 17:00:05.


#15 mikaS2000

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Escrito 08 February 2010 - 13:00:34

yo acepto copias de admisiones J,s racing, o escapes para su destruccion por supuesto Imagen Enviada

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Escrito 09 February 2010 - 20:25:31

vaya tela, yo ando en tratos directamente con fabrica, si me cuelan algo os contare XD




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