Muy buenas,
Abro este post como hilo informativo (ya que, por ahora, no tengo idea de meterme en otro fregao) para ver qué opciones hay y aprovechando que acabo de encontrar un artículo interesante:
-Conjunto de Muelles y Estabilizadoras de serie por años:
http://www.s2ki.com/...ension-springs/
| Front Rear | Front Rear
Model Year | Spring Spring | Sway Bar Sway Bar
--------------+------------------+--------------------
2000-2001 | 219 291 | 393 427
2002-2003 | 246 309 | 300 396
2004-2005 | 262 278 | 300 311
2006-2007 | 262 269 | 300 311
2008-2009 | 280 294 | 354 311
2008-2009 CR | 384 lb/in = 6.857459 kg/mm 343 lb/in = 6.125283 kg/mm | 392 362
Note 1: All figures are in lb/in. Divide by 56 to get kg/mm.
Note 2: Edited 17Nov2010 with slight updates to spring rates per rev1 of paper.
http://clubhondaspir...rings_rev1b.pdf
Precio de las OEM en la Honda:
http://clubhondaspir...-7#entry2216887
-KW Clubsport: Natxete, son las que montaste? No encuentro tu post. Edit: No, añado sus D2 Racing Drag.
http://www.kw-suspen...w_clubsport.php
Artículo donde las montan (además de poner cubiertas de la misma medida en las 4 ruedas y meter barras anti-sway de Whiteline?!?) y las prueban:
http://www.motoiq.co...ion-tricks.aspx
http://www.motoiq.co...oil-cooler.aspx
Configuración recomendada:
Took the car out for a long (350 miles) drive today on all sorts of roads to tweak the suspension settings.
The starting recommend settings are: front(rebound: 9 clicks from full stiff compression: 0.75 turns from full stiff), rear(rebound: 15 clicks from full stiff, compression: 0.75 turns from full stiff).
The car was bounding a bit on the freeway 'humps'. I added 2 clicks of rebound on the front and 3 on the rear. So they are now 7 and 12 clicks from full stiff respectively. The front feels pretty good now, but the rear needs some more tweaking. For the fronts, I'm thinking of adding 0.25 turns of compression and leaving the rebound. On the rear, add 0.25 turns compression and 2 more clicks rebound for 10 from full stiff.
Robinette también habla algo aquí sobre éllas:
https://robrobinette...0KWV3Tuning.htm
-D2 Racing Drag: Montadas por Natxete.
http://www.d2racing....t/products/drag
A ver si podemos ir añadiendo más opciones y opiniones sobre las mismas.
Muchas gracias.
Edito: Añado con datos del antiguo post de Touge Master:
-Ohlins DFV:
http://www.roadandtr...ducts/hos-mi20/
Presentación de Touge Master:
http://clubhondaspir...03-ohlins-s2000
Settings gracias a GENrx8:
http://clubhondaspir...k/#entry1960627
-KW V3:
http://kw-suspension...w_variant_3.php
Artículo y settings de Rob Robinette (Dios):
http://robrobinette....0KWV3Tuning.htm
-Bilstein PSS9 Touge-Spec:
http://www.bilsteinu...-pss9pss10.html
http://clubhondaspir...20#entry1955078
Ya se que soy insistente.. pero por el precio de las suspensiones del CR, puedes pillarte las PSS9, los muelles tienen una dureza parecida a los del CR (solo ligeramente mas duros) el balance es parecido y ademas son ajustables en rebote/compresion (desde nas blando que de serie hasta mas duro) y altura (aunque no tienes porque cambiar la altura de serie si no quieres)
http://clubhondaspir...-3#entry2140083
Efectivamente son homologadas. 1.800€ creo recordar.
http://clubhondaspir...e-master-specs/
Mi resumen antes de pasar a las Ohlins:
http://clubhondaspir...22#entry2299713
-AST 4100: Las que llevan Jokin y Mati? Edit: Sí, Mati también las montó (AST Sportline I), sí.
http://www.ast-suspe...om/products.asp
http://clubhondaspir...-3#entry2140168
En las AST el regulador se desmonta con una allen asi que no problem.
Ya llevo unos 1000km con las Bridgestone 001 XL y encantado, van muy bien.
http://clubhondaspir...-3#entry2140194
Por precio/calidad y en la gama Tein, KWv3 o Bilstein PSS9 o etc etc.. AST sin duda, a no ser que alguien demuestre lo contrario.
http://clubhondaspir...-3#entry2140260
Las ast son completamente negras... en el 90% de las itv passaria sin problemas
http://clubhondaspir...-4#entry2140266
negra es, pero la rosca siempre canta
pero bueno que no es fosforita como las demas, y eso se agradece.
http://clubhondaspir...i/#entry1894206
AST Sportline I :
Aqui debo agradecer a Lluiset que me aconsejo muy bien, a j0kin que al pobre le he dado el coñazo con unos cuantos MP y que siempre ha estado atento y ofreciendose. Y también al tio deibit por pasarme el contacto Aleman que fue clave para conseguirlas.
La verdad que al verlas no me impresionaron demasiado. Antes ya tuve en mis manos unas Tein monoflex y se ven bastante mas robustas. No traen copelas ni fuelle para la porqueria. Lo de las copelas simplemente instalé las de origen, y lo del fuelle tampoco creo que tenga mucha importancia.
Efectividad! eso es lo que buscaba. Las he estado probando y las suspensiones me gustan mucho mas que las de origen. He estado trasteando al tope de dureza y la verdad que es demasiado para calle, incluso se me hacien rebotonas por las imperfecciones del pavimento. He bajado 7 puntos de 15 y se me hacen muchisimo mas comodas para el día a día, incluso le bajare 2 o 3 puntos mas.
Comparandolas con las tein monoflex las AST son menos secas y absorven mejor.
No puedo contaros mucho más puesto que las monté ayer y estas han sido mis primeras impresiones. Ya os iré dando más datos. Y a ver si me paso por algun circuito para comentar de verdad! que tengo ya mono de ello.
Simplemente estoy muy contento con la compra.
http://clubhondaspir...i/#entry1894356
AST Sportline I
Arfff hoy me he ido de ruta y .... me encantan! El paso por curva ha mejorado notablemente.
Aqui deibit fue la clave. Me pasó un contacto Aleman (Michael) que las distribuía hacía tiempo pero que ya no lo hacia en estos momentos.
El chico alemán (Michael) me dió otro contacto que os paso acontinuacion:
LK-Motorsport
Koelner strasse 206
Krefeld
D-47805
Germany
tel: 0049 21518209992
El chico con el que hablé es:
Bernhard Binder
info@lk-motorsport.de
-Montar Suspensiones y Barras Estabilizadoras OEM del S2000 CR (muchas gracias, HRCRothmas!):
http://clubhondaspir...nsiones-del-cr/
http://clubhondaspir...s-del-s2000-cr/
http://www.s2ki.com/...fficial-cr-faq/
http://clubhondaspir...-3#entry2139071
Por pura logica;son mas incomodas y rebotonas en tramos bacheados,no voy tan agusto como antes
La suspension del type s (08-09) es la idonea y la orientada para tramos
-O las OEM del 08-09:
Suspensión más deportiva pero, a la vez, usable en calle de todas las OEM (restyling?).
-Tein Flex Z: Gracias, SrK!
http://clubhondaspir...-9#entry2184342
Bueno, yo al final monte Tein aun con lo que me dijeron por aquí. El coche lo uso a diario así que necesitaba algo que tampoco perdiese una comodidad excesiva y sinceramente creo que he acertado.
Evidentemente son más incomodas que las de serie, pero al menos a mi no me resultan molestas, yendo más despacio en badenes y mierdas que nos monta el ayuntamiento se va perfecto.
Monte Tein Flex Z porque las Street ya no se fabrican para el S2000 (Al fin y al cabo es igual solo que han cambiado el modo de fabricarla y sale más económica), también mire las Mono pero no quería algo radical, así que me decante por estas. Ya llevo más de 2000Km, 1000 de ellos por autopista y los otros ciudad/montaña. Me parecen bastante equilibrados, yo estoy contento con ellos.
Aquí te dejo más información:
http://www.tein.com/...cts/flex_z.html
Y aquí los tarados para el S2000:
Actualizo:
-Tein Flex Z:
http://www.tein.co.u...uct/flex_z.html
http://www.tein.co.u...lt&item=default
Specifications:
Full-Length Ride Height Adjustment Feature …… Ride Height Adjustment with Little or No Change in Ride Quality
Twin-Tube Structure …… For Low Resiliency & Securing Sufficient Stroke
Damping Force Adjustment System …… 16-level Linear Damping Force Adjustment System
Complete Kit with Upper Mount …… Exclusively Designed Upper Mounts are Included (Except Some Models)
1-Full-Car-Kit …… Complete Suspension Kit of 4 Shock Absorbers & 4 Springs
13 Concepts
1. Incredibly Low Price & Made in Yokohama!
2. Twin-Tube System for Comfortable Ride on Streets!
3. Full-Length System for Ride Height Adjustment w/ Minimal Change in Ride!
4. Damping Force Adjustable to Change Ride to Desired Settings!
5. Compatible with EDFC Series to enable In-Car Damping Force Adjustment!
6. Upper Mounts Included for Easy Installation!
7. Highly Durable & Reliable!
8. Thoroughgoing Rust-Proofing!
9. Highly-Rigid Bracket & Shell Case!
10. Smooth Ride Height Adjustment & One-of-A-Kind Adjusting Wrench!
11. No-Sag Springs!
12. High-Spec Damper Oil!
13. Replacement Service to Bring Used Shock Absorbers Back to Life!
Concept Details
1.Incredibly Low Price & Made in Yokohama!
FLEX Z inherits all the features and quality of STREET FLEX but the adoption of new platform allows its price to be set at amazingly low range (JPY79,800 to 108,000). FLEX Z, of course, maintains the long-favored "Made in Yokohama" quality. Ride height adjustable shock absorber, fully loaded with TEIN's comprehensive technology, is now more affordable prices than ever. Sealed Structure
Sealed Structure
New Approach to Achieve Amazingly Low Prices
After careful consideration, we came to the conclusion that we need to establish new manufacturing system and to develop new product platform, in order to achieve low prices the customers demand. Until now, all TEIN dampers can be disassembled for overhaul; however, we introduce new "Sealed Structure" to FLEX Z. Please see below for a part of production process of FLEX Z at TEIN HQ Factory in Yokohama, Japan.
Top end of shell pipe is drawn, oil & gas are injected then the opening is completely sealed by crimping process. This "Sealed Structure" process also reduces the production time, compared to the production of existing disassembable dampers.
In addition, pursuit of efficient production system, such as use of seam welding, allows us to drastically reduce the production cost.
2.Twin-Tube System for Comfortable Ride on Streets!
Considering the use of larger tires/wheels and the lowered ride height, FLEX Z uses twin-tube system, in pursuit of ride comfort on streets.
In order to maintain the ride quality on streets with rough spots here and there, a shock absorber has to have sufficient stroke, be low-frictional and move smoothly.
As an oil chamber and a gas chamber are not arranged serially in a twin-tube system, it is easy to secure enough stroke. Also, low gas pressure keeps friction low.
Its smooth stroke movement makes it possible to follow rough and bumpy road surfaces quite well, offering supple ride at low speed and stable ride at high speed.
3.Full-Length System for Ride Height Adjustment w/ Minimal Change in Ride!
Full-length ride height adjustment system, used for FLEX Z, enables adjustment of ride height by adjusting the case length, without changing the damper stroke length and/or spring pre-load. This has the advantage that the change in ride quality is kept minimal when the height is adjusted.
This system not only makes it possible to maintain good balance between the low-down appearance and ride comfort, but also provides more setting choices for sport driving as well.
Adjust ride height without changing stroke length
4.Damping Force Adjustable to Change Ride to Desired Settings!
FLEX Z has ever-popular 16-level damping force adjustment (comp./rebound together) feature with the use of needle valve. By turning the adjustment knob, damping force (stiffness) is adjusted linearly step by step, to change the ride and handling of the car to suit driver's needs/preferences.
Use of well-reputed "ADVANCE Needle" at the needle valve for oil flow control secures sufficient damping force adjustable range.
Whether it's for the handling characteristics of sport driving or for the ride quality according to numbers of passengers, finding the most desirable setting is easier than ever.
5.Compatible with EDFC Series to enable In-Car Damping Force Adjustment!
With EDFC (Electronic Damping Force Controller) series installed, damping force can be controlled from the cockpit with ease. Stepping motors attached in place of adjustment knobs control the damping force quickly and accurately.
Use of EDFC turns 16-level adjustment into finer 32-level or 64-level adjustment mode (64-level only available with EDFC ACTIVE / EDFC ACTIVE PRO), to provide the optimum performance by fully utilizing the damping force adjustable range drastically widened by the use of "ADVANCE Needle".
With EDFC ACTIVE / EDFC ACTIVE PRO, damping force can be controlled automatically according to changes in G-force and/or vehicle speed, to offer very smooth and slick ride like never before. (Some models are NOT compatible with EDFC series.)
6.Upper Mounts Included for Easy Installation!
FLEX Z kit includes upper mounts exclusively designed for each vehicle model; either reinforced rubber mounts or pillow ball mounts.
Pillow ball upper mounts for front strut suspensions have camber adjustment feature.
(Some vehicle models use OE mounts.)
7. Highly Durable & Reliable!
After many years of research and study, TEIN has developed optimally-shaped dust boot made of most suitable material. Elastic & highly-durable dust boot effectively prevents damages to the piston rod and foreign substances from getting inside the shock absorber.
(Some vehicle models use OE dust boots.)
Final assembly of shock absorbers is done in the clean room, which is almost equivalent to operating room. Room pressure is kept under control to shut out dust & dirt and all workers entering the room must take air shower, to make sure all the assembly work is done in completely clean air, in order to maintain higher level of accuracy and reliability.
8. Thoroughgoing Rust-Proofing!
Upper mounts and lower brackets are coated with rich TEIN green powder paint. This powder paint has high coating film strength, is highly durable yet is low-pollution due to non-use of harmful solvent. After the shot blasting pre-treatment, the patented "2-layer/1-bake" treatment using anti-rust powder paint is applied for superior durability and high corrosion resistance. (Patent No. 4347712)
On shell case, TEIN's self-developed one-of-a-kind "ZT Coating" is applied, for tougher protection against chipping, often caused by bounced pebbles, and rust. With zero claim rate, against adhesion, out of 500,000dampers sold, we are confident that people living in snowfall area or near seashores would even be very satisfied.
9.Highly Durable & Reliable!
For strut suspensions, sufficiently-thick ribbed plate is used for knuckle bracket to maintain high rigidity. Flange shape edge of the bracket provides larger contact area with the bracket lock, which is fastened with the conical washer inserted in between, to effectively prevent loosening of the bracket lock most commonly occurs on front strut suspensions.
Brackets for brake hoses and ABS sensor harnesses etc are exclusively designed for each vehicle model for hassle-free installation.
Shell case is made of high-strength steel STKM13C and solidly-constructed for firm handling and stable ride.
10.Smooth Ride Height Adjustment & One-of-A-Kind Adjusting Wrench!
FLEX Z has adopted the new wrought aluminum spring seats and low-friction hard-resin thrust washers. These effectively reduces the friction with springs, caused during ride height adjustment, and makes it easier to adjust the ride height with pre-load on the springs.
Shell cases are treated with "ZT Coating", a superlow-friction fluorine resin coating, which is tightly baked onto the surface in-house. This special coating provides superior protection against rust and high lubricity, for keeping a smooth adjustment for a long period.
FLEX Z kit includes one-of-a-kind user-friendly ride height adjusting wrench. It has a 12.7mm (1/2in) sq. hole for attaching spinner handle and/or torque wrench for tightening at high torque.
11.No-Sag Springs!
Included springs are made of high-tensile steel SAE9254 (tensile strength 200kgf/mm2 or over) and cold formed for excellent resistance to sagging and for superior quality stability.
Surface is powder coated for superb protection against chipping & peeling, for high durability and for superior anti-corrosion performance.
High-quality spring can be used under various conditions without any worry.
The most suitable shape of spring (straight or barrel-shaped) is determined for each vehicle model, to provide wide ride height adjustable range and to secure sufficient stroke without compromising ride comfort.
12.High-Spec Damper Oil
Specially-formulated high-spec oil exhibits stable viscosity characteristics at any temperature; from low to high, to allow shock absorbers to stroke smoothly and to generate damping force stably under various conditions. The oil has superior anti-foaming characteristics hence the bubble cavitation and/or thermal degradation hardly occurs, making it even suitable for tough sport driving. The oil also does not deteriorate much with age, making it possible to maintain and deliver superior performance for the long term.
13.Replacement Service to Bring Used Shock Absorbers Back to Life!
TEIN makes NO compromise on after-sales service of FLEX Z. Replacement Service is available for FLEX Z, in the place of overhaul/revalving service, as its "Sealed Structure" components cannot be disassembled.
How "Replacement Service" Works
NO need to return the original shock absorber
As shown above, Replacement Service allows the customer to purchase and replace the shock absorber body, excluding outer parts (upper mount, lower bracket, spring etc.).
For Overhaul/Revalving service, because the shock absorber has to be detached from the vehicle, sent back to TEIN and then returned to the owner once the job is done, there are some disadvantages;
Need to prepare loaner (substitute) shock absorber while waiting for overhaul job,
Require to do removal/installation twice, and/or
Can not use the vehicle left on the lift while waiting for overhaul job.
Replacement Service is time-efficient as the customer can purchase a replacement shock absorber in advance and replace with the old one whenever ready.
Replacement Shock Absorber is Customizable!
You might think that the major advantage of overhaul/revalving service, damping force and/or stroke change, is not available for FLEX Z due to its "Sealed Structure".
Well, TEIN made it possible.
Upon request, we can make the replacement shock absorber to the desired damping force specifications and/or stroke length, to the extent possible. Because the original shock absorber does not have to be returned, you can purchase and stock the several replacement shock absorbers in different specifications for various purposes, not just as replacements for worn-out ones.
Such enriched after-sales service is only made available by "Made in Yokohama" quality.
Manual:
http://clubhondaspir...tion Manual.pdf
Comparativa entre Ohlins DFV, KW V3 y Bilstein PSS9 Touge-Spec por Touge Master (muchas gracias!):
http://clubhondaspir...uadores-ohlins/
Hola a todos.
A falta de darme un paseo por mi touge favorito puedo ofreceros las primeras impresiones tras la instalación de los amortiguadores.
El lunes, con las manos aún grasientas del transplante, decidí darme una vuelta con precaución para que la suspensión se asentase de cara a poder alinear el coche. La primera impresión fue como un deja vu, la sensación era parecida a cuando sacaba mi Clio de paseo ante la proximidad de una carrera. Es una sensación a la que hay que volver a acostumbrarse, porque todos, absolutamente todos las imperfeciones de las carretera son transmitidas, de manera amortiguada, a tu cuerpo. No se trata de una sacudida más o menos seca, sino de la sensación de ir sujeto al firme de manera permanente. Digo que hay que acostumbrarse porque, si no lo estás, se crea una falsa sensación de inestabilidad.
Al día siguiente, alinee el coche y di un paseo más largo en el que pude comprobar las bonanzas del sistema DFV. El taraje independiente de baja y alta velocidad hace el coche cómodo a la vez que estable, virando y cambiando de apoyo con mucho aplomo y sin la sensación de ir botando de cresta a cresta en los baches.
Me sorprendí yendo realmente rápido en curvas de 3ª-4ª sin forzar en lo más mínimo, con todavía mucho margen para "sacarme los colores". Colores que aparecen en curvas muy lentas con un marcado subviraje, tendencia que seguramente se podrá mitigar jugando con el reglaje de extensión, que también modifica compresión aunque en menor medida.
El miércoles, aprovechando una visita al banco de potencia de Covaleda, rodé por las sinuosas carreteras de la zona de pinares como un niño con zapatos nuevos. Es como si la capacidad del S de sacarte una sonrisa conforme vas trazando las curvas se hubiese potenciado. Tras el continuo uso de tus antebrazos dejándote deslizar por el asfalto llegas a pensar que el freno no existe, pues las enlazadas que ves por el retrovisor han pasado sin apenas darte cuenta.
Otro de los detalles a destacar son las copelas con rótula esférica. Se notan bastante, no habiendo nada de retardo para iniciar el giro. En contrapartida, en algún bache, sobretodo antes de alinear, se mostraron algo ruidosas. Puede que sólo haya sido al asentarse y no lo vuelvan a hacer.
El ranking de suspensiones, al margen de la de serie, que he probado en el S2000 sería el siguiente:
1 - OHLINS DFV.
Ventajas: Calidad general de todos los componentes.
Perfecto compromiso entre efectividad-deportividad y comodidad.
Servicio técnico en España. Posibilidad de reconstrucción-retarado.
Garantía de 2 años.
Desventajas: Precio.
Ruido de las copelas (a confirmar con más rodaje)
2 - KW V3.
Ventajas: Relación calidad-precio.
Comportamiento predecible y posibilidad de reglaje separado de compresión y extensión.
Desventajas: Algo secas en los baches en comparación con Ohlins.
Reglaje en compresión de dificil acceso.
3 - Bilstein PSS9 Touge-Spec.
Ventajas: Equilibrio entre subviraje y sobreviraje muy conseguido.
Deportividad en circuito.
Precio
Desventajas: Reglaje en compresión/extensión con realmente 2 posiciones vs 9 anunciadas
Exigencia al conductor con firme bacheado.
Imposibilidad de llevar la rueda de repuesto.
Un saludo.
-Eibach Multi-Pro R2 con tarajes específicos de Evasive Motorsport:
http://clubhondaspir...-2#entry2068295
Vamos a ir poniendo algunas de las modificaciones que vamos a realizar.
Le hemos dado prioridad al desarrollo del chasis por lo que las mayores inversiones son en este campo.
Después de mirar y valorar multitud de opciones al final nos hemos decantado por unos amortiguadores Eibach Multi-Pro R2 con tarajes específicos de Evasive Motorsport. Creemos que son adecuados para un setup non-staggered como el que vamos a llevar con bastante pisada (245 o 255)
Aparte nos ha gustado el valvulado y la linealidad del ajuste, aunque en compresión es mejorable. Pero en relación calidad-precio los consideramos difíciles de igualar. Mejorarlos supondría un salto de 1000 euros.
-Tein Mono Flex:
http://www.tein.co.u.../mono_flex.html
Description:
The MONO FLEX coilover kit has been developed for entry-level competition motorsports and advanced street driving. Features include 16-way damping force adjustability (combined compression and rebound), a mono-tube internal design, pillowball upper mounts, and EDFC compatibility. There are independent adjustments for ride-height and spring pre-load settings for increased suspension tuning. The new Mono Flex also includes TEIN's latest technological innovation, Micro Speed Valving (MSV) system, which allows the driver to feel a greater difference in damping force adjustments. Designed and developed for consumers seeking aggressive handling on the street and at the track.
Additional Features:
Steel Construction
Mono Tube internal construction
Inverted design for strut type front and rear
Ride Height adjustable via threaded body and spring seats
16 way adjustable dampers, compression and rebound combined
M.S.V. Technology for improved damping force adjustability
Pillow ball upper mounts for increased steering feel
Upper camber adjustment on front for strut type vehicles
EDFC (Electronic Damping Force Controller) compatible
Anodized brackets with Teflon coated shock body for heavy duty rust prevention
Contents of Spring Kit:
Adjustable Shock Absorber × 4
Main Spring × 4
Some applications include helper springs
Pillow ball Upper Mount × 4
Lower Spring Seat ×4
Seat Lock × 12
Bump Rubber × 4
Hook Spanner × 2
Dust Cover × 4
Instruction Manual × 1
Sticker Sheet × 1
http://www.tein.co.u...lt&item=default
[ Characteristics ]
BODY ROLL IS REDUCED COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL CAR, SUDDEN BOUNDARY BEHAVIOR IN REAR IS SUPPRESSED AND CONTROLLABILITY IS IMPROVED. INFORMATION FROM THE ROAD SURFACE CAN EASILY BE FELT, MAKING IT POSSIBLE AND EASY TO CORRESPOND TO CHANGES IN ROAD CONDITIONS, SUCH AS RAINS. DAMPING FORCE IS SET WITH GAPS/BUMPS ON STREETS IN MIND TO SECURE RIDE COMFORT.
Manual:
http://clubhondaspir...tion Manual.pdf
Editado por Storm, 22 abril 2021 - 10:52:18.
